Summary
The White House has directed the State and Treasury Departments to draft a proposal for lifting some U.S. sanctions on Russia as part of Trump’s effort to restore ties and end the Ukraine war.
The proposal could ease restrictions on select Russian entities and oligarchs, though it’s unclear what the U.S. would receive in return.
Trump has signaled openness to sanctions relief despite previously threatening harsher measures.
Talks between U.S. and Russian officials have intensified, with economic cooperation, including rare earth minerals, emerging as a key topic.
Yall, the USA just lost the fucking Cold War.
Yeah it’s kinda crazy that it basically just lived on in the hearts of Putin and his underlings. We moved on. He made it his mission. There’s a lesson in there somewhere.
Also, he basically became the thing he hated to win. Killed us with capitalism. There’s a story there.
The real lesson is to run down your enemies as they retreat. America failed to do that with the south after the Civil War. America failed to do that with the Sov Union. Looks like the allies failed to do that with the Axis as well. Every evil entity will roll over and beg for mercy with crocodile tears. Leave the people, annihilate the state.
Either recruit people to your side or marginalize and destroy them completely. There’s no in between.
It’s more subtle. Technically they won, but while they were winning, Russia was buying the power in US. Weird situation now where the winner becomes a vassal state of the loser…
Russian agent doing the Russian agent things.
Word has changed since cold war u know.
Which has nothing to do with anything, but I bet it sounded cool in the goo in your numbskull.
The only thing that hasn’t changed since then is Russia
This is a total lie. there is no sense to keep funding stupid usaid propaganda - it keeps population dumb
it keeps population dumb
You mean dumb like all those Trump Musk supporters ? Or dumb because educational programs have been defunded, and fed by social media and classic media controlled by the rich men having power ?
Well Russia was doing all this same stuff back the too so I’m not really wrong. They certainly aren’t more peaceful these days.
Yeah, note instead of Russia being a communist authoritarian hellscape, it’s a capitalist authoritarian hellscape.
Very different
Isnt that what us is? Capitalist authoritarian hellscape?
That’s why they get along so swimmingly
That’s certainly the trajectory Project 2025 wants to really drive home. That’s not exactly a defense of Russia.
Commenting on every post licking trumps balls
I disagree with Trump on many things, just not Ukraine Russia
“I put at least some minimal effort into looking like I don’t just fantasize gargling their balls. Even though I do.”
Both Putin and Trump are 80s relics and so it matters little how much the wor[l]d has changed, the cold war facet applies to the blindly pro-russian stance of Trump.
Of all the stances to take, this one is insane. Almost every violent conflict has shades of gray, nuance rather than unambiguous good and bad. The Ukraine-Russia conflict is one of those supremely rare straightforward ones where Russia is just straight up the bad guys.
If china is about to kill you economy, who gives a damn about Russia?b
And u clearly have no historical knowledge of that conflict.
Yes, but Russia (or at least Putin) hasn’t.
He came into power almost a decade after the Cold War ended, so I don’t get what you mean
You’re an idiot then. He was literally a KGB agent. This isn’t even hard to find information, if you Google him it’s on Wikipedia you’ve done literally zero research.
Oh so being a KGB agent is being the president, got it. Who’s the idiot again?
Trump is so l still a Russian asset. Doing russias bidding
Well yeah, it’s part of o365 now.
Fight Canada, help Russia. How in the hell are Republicans just watching this happen? Cowards and frauds, all of them.
As Trudeau said at the top of his speech yesterday:
So today the United States launched a trade war against Canada, their closest partner and ally, their closest friend. At the same time, they’re talking about working positively with Russia, appeasing Vladimir Putin, a lying, murderous dictator.
Make that make sense.
I can help. Trump, the fascist wannabe dictator is putins bitch.
Is he actually trying to crash the US economy on purpose? Or is he that detached from reality?
Krasnov Trump scammed his investors, loans and bankrupted his casinos. He is doing the same to US to enrich himself.
Trump got ties with russia…
Ties that look a lot like puppet strings.
I’ve commissioned an art piece of Trump sucking Putins dick. Will share when it’s done.
Sanctions (tariffs) Canada, Mexico, and China. Removes sanctions on Russia. What the fuck?
From Europe it’s crazy seeing the USA getting so close to authoritarian regimes, and so far from democratic ones.
Its not that crazy. It was founded on the principle that a select few have lots of power.
Trump is a foreign spy that managed to gain control of his enemies military.
Wow! It’s amazing how most of the voters who voted for him grew up hating “commies” but suddenly Russia is their ally. Astonishing.
Russia used to be godless commies, but now it’s viewed as a white, Christian capitalist state with a strong leader. It’s not, but that’s the bullshit Fucker Carlson and other Russian sponsored propagandists have been spewing for the last decade or so.
Maybe that’s cause Russia hasn’t been communist in a long while.
It hasn’t stopped people from thinking that “communism” is a synonym for “bad”.
What’s quite funny is that in Europe there was never really much hatred for communism. It wasn’t what we did, but we weren’t bothered by it. The red scare was an entirely American phenomenon.
However fast forward 40 years and suddenly it’s the reverse. America like Russia and Europe is talking about the threat of invasion.
True
I like godless commies more than what Russia is now. Sad development
This is so wrong. I hate what we’ve become. As an American, I’ve never been proud of what this country has done but I’ve never been THIS ashamed. I feel like a joke.
There’s no more room for nuance. We (that is, our government) are the baddies. Straight up.
So let’s stop beating around the bush at what has to be done, violent revolution is the only path to freedom.
I’m approximately 2,700 miles from DC, so I’ll need several days’ notice for when the violent insurrection will be.
Can it wait a few more months? I need a bit more PTO. Rent doesn’t pay itself.
This is kind of an underrated sentiment. I think a big reason there aren’t more protests and revolting is because we really can’t afford it. The financial impact on each individual can be significant. Employers don’t support time off for anything of a political nature, not even voting.
I don’t believe this situation isn’t intentional. It seems that countries who take two hour lunch breaks and don’t let their jobs dictate their entire lives are far more likely to protest en mass.
Thing is, saving that house now by forsaking the country could lead to that same door being kicked down by the feds in just a few months for that liberal Facebook post you made calling trans people human. Get in the Gitmo van.
The BLM protests were the largest in US history. The fact is that most Americans have been coddled by a stable democracy and don’t care if they lose it, as long as someone puts a buck in their pocket. They think it won’t affect them because Congress bad, both sides bad.
Of the ones who do care, they think protests dOn’T wOrK because BLM or the Palestine protests failed. Completely ignoring the fact that other civil resistance movements have succeeded and are historically more successful than armed revolts against the upper class.
There is plenty of room for nuance, there’s just no nuance to be had.
To help Putin, he is bankrupting USA just like how he bankrupted his casinos.
As an American? Surely you mean as a proud member of the new American Protectorate of the Russian Federation, comrade?
APRF, got a ring to it!
Anyway better start being proud or it’s off to Gulaganamo Bay…
Does this mean Russia won the cold war
pretty much, they switches thier strategy to using propaganda and bribing since the 80s;.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
In the Americas, United States, and Canada:
-Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke “Afro-American racists” to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should “introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics”.
Does anyone else remember the 2016 debate with Hillary Clinton where she accused Trump of being a puppet for Putin, and he interrupted “No puppet, no puppet! You’re the puppet!”
Or when Alnur Mussayev, the Russian officer who served in the KGB’s 6th Directorate in Moscow, said that Trump was recruited as a Russian agent in 1987, under the codename “Krasnov”, when he went to Russia for a “real estate project”.
Remember when the SS lost all of their communication records from Jan 6th?
Europe please be ready. My tea leaves are pointing towards the use of nuclear weapons in Europe while the us is distracted with civil unrest.
If the US does lift sanctions on select oligarchs from Russia, I think the EU should consider sanctions on select oligarchs from the US.
I can suggest one such oligarch, Elon Musk - he’s associated with wielding illegitimate power, manipulating social media and interfering in elections (both national and primary) using wealth.
How about freezing his assets? I don’t think he has taken the prudent step of collecting all his money and stowing it under Donald’s presidential seat.
I think the EU should consider sanctions on select oligarchs from the US.
I can suggest one such oligarch, Elon Musk
All of the billionaires who were mugging for the camera at the inauguration.
Unfortunately, the EU still didn’t even manage to block Twitter and even less to touch Starlink, or send promised money to Ukraine in less than months. I wouldn’t hold my breath on anything further out of what they’ve planned at least 6months ago already, and sanctions against US oligarchs was definitely not on the list.
When Ukraine’s president surprisingly shifted towards Russia, the people engaged in civil disobedience until there was a new president.
What will the US do?
Nothing. 50% of the country loves their strongman president more than freedom or common sense
Less than a third of eligible voters voted for Trump.
“In reality, there is no such thing as not voting: you either vote by voting, or you vote by staying home and tacitly doubling the value of some Diehard’s vote.”
~ David Foster Wallace
70% of Murca voted for him.
So you’re saying those who didn’t vote love him? How does that make sense?
I’m saying they voted tacitly in agreement with everyone that voted for him. Whether they love the man doesn’t matter. They supported him by voting with their asses.
I was originally replying to the post above that said: “50% of the country loves their strongman president more than freedom or common sense.” And I was specifically disputing the 50% figure in regards to “loving” Trump. So you’re arguing something else entirely.
It’s an important distinction because falsely claiming that half the country loves Trump legitimizes his authoritarian rule.
I understand what you’re saying. I also dispute the 50% number.
I’m saying only 30% of the country voted for him, 30% against, and 40% voted with their asses, making the effective amount of “love” 70%, not 50%.
Approval rating of ~50% notwithstanding, he has a 70% mandate to fuck shit up when we have 40% ass-voters.
And the other 50% thinks that the best avenue for social change is to attack people who don’t like the latest Disney movie.
You’re framing that as a difference in taste when in reality it was a difference in having shitty bigoted views or not. Haven’t you fuckers muddied the water enough?
Exhibit A.
Oh look, another Trumper obsessed with culture war issues that no one else cares about… I’m so surprised.
Exhibit B.
A US backed coup is not “civil disobedience” lol
kindly, Fuck off.
A couple of suspicious sounding phone calls intercepted from an embassy, when every embassy in the country was having their own discussions about their preferred outcome to the collapse of a government, do not influence millions of Ukrainians who know their own country and government, to take to the streets in a riot over being betrayed over something they voted for.
I mean, where is the guy hiding right now? Where is Zelensky?
Sounds like thats the Ukrainian SBU’s business, and no one elses.
you’re asking the location of a world leader who has had countless attempts on his life and is actively at war. Do you normally ask stupid rhetorical questions?
I meant Yanukovych ran away to hide in Russia at the first sign of trouble and Zelensky stayed in Ukraine even with bombs falling on Kyiv
Shut the fuck up Ivan
I have nothing against americans, but this is Hitler level bullshit and if americans dont wake up after this (like revolt level wake up), they are no better than today russians orks or past german nazis sympathizer. Until they get their shit together by getting rid of this orange shit pile, americans can just go fuck themselves…
I posted this on a Reddit thread, but we have become very dependent on certain technologies. The resistance is taking a while to get warmed up. One of the biggest issues is our communication channels used in the first administration have all been compromised. Twitter, Whatsapp, and Reddit are all being used against us. There may never be a hashtag protest again.
No one thinks this is normal or okay. But there is an air of fear that the secret police tech bros are listening.
FYI if everybody no longer pay their taxes and no longer work, its game over for the government in less than a year and in a peacefull way… (Excluding food, energy and health sector of course, and people will need to be able to rely on their communities exclusively, but lets be honest, in the US its already the case…)
Imagine a COVID but as a national and perpetual strike/protest. Even with a third of the population doing that, it would work.
bUt wE hAvE oUr oWn PrObLeMs. tHiS dOeSn’T cOnCeRn Us.
Fucking shameful and depressing. Makes me realize that slogans like “never again” are not at all realistic because they’ll always be idiots who think shit doesn’t concern them, until it does.
I agree. As an American I didn’t understand how this could happen. However, and this excuses nothing, but read the book “They Thought they were Free,” by Milton Mayer. It explains how normal people were wrapped up in Germany. It was eye opening.
[From interviews in 1953] The author determined that his interviewees had fond memories of the Nazi period and did not see Adolf Hitler as evil, and they perceived themselves as having a high degree of personal freedom during Nazi rule
I never considered some Germans still favored the Nazi regime after WW2, or at least not a significant number, especially not otherwise normal people. I’ve ordered a copy of the book
It was the generation after the Nazis that did all the work to redeem Germany. The Nazis themselves never admitted that what they did was wrong, even when it destroyed their own country.
And of course they felt free. To the mediocre, the hateful, and the weak-minded, “freedom” means power over others, and the Nazis gave their supporters a tiny bit of that power.
I’m trying hard not to accuse America per se but recognise that this is Trump and his administration being driven by Kremlin interference and direct involvement.
I cannot see the American people putting up with this nightmare but I fear it’s not hitting home as it should.
Ukraine is just a part of a bigger picture where Russia is actively interfering with Western politics, business, governments, elections and referendums with the aim of bringing down the West.
With the traditional USA out of the game Russia will move on to eastern Europe. In the meantime China makes it’s move on Taiwan and others in the region; the Trump USA taking Canada, Greenland, Western Europe; the middle east being carved between Russia and Trump USA.
It’s going to get a lot worse before it gets any better whilst Trump is in power.
I sincerely hope that the military, even red state members, would recognize invading Canada or any of these countries as being a real fucked move and not what they signed up for.
Even though the EU has been funding Russia with fossil fuel imports? Kinda feels like we’re the only country that was willing to make a stand and did it alone while Russia’s GDP rose last year.
4D chess right here, put economic stress on our allies, but try to help out our enemies.
If we dont know what we are doing, the enemy certainly cant anticipate our future actions!
And another piece of evidence that Trump is nothing but a Russian agent in the Oval Office. When will the US media finally start to ask about this?
Media? What about the fucking US military and intelligence services?
They don’t seem to care about their oath about “enemies foreign and domestic” anymore.
And another piece of evidence that Trump is nothing but a Russian agent in the Oval Office.
Russian puppet, FTFY.
No puppet! No puppet! Yer the puppet! —Puppet in Chief
Or “asset”. He may do what Putin wants, but he’s not out there decoding messages or leaving dead drops! Yeah, I watched The Americans on FX…
they did that a long time ago
In a few small outlets. I have not seen a big headline on the front page of a national paper, or an opener on the nayor TV networks news.
i believe it was called the Mueller special counsel investigation
