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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.
Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.
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So, it’s treason then
Yep, it’s treason. And it’s not just one guy.
An entirely treasonous party.
If you support a traitor, you are a traitor.
The old Republican party is dead. Now it’s only grifters and sycophants who are 100% willing to be treasonous to get what they want.
And so far the “land of the brave” is rolling over and letting them do it.
Someone should invade Rubio’s house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they’ll leave.
Rubio is a Russian asset
Most of our government seems to be.
lmao so the US coup’ed the USSR in the 90ies by sponsoring fascists, but somehow the US becoming fascist is because of russia?
The mental gymnastic of the jingoists I swear
get lost troll.
That sounds like Russia. Took 30 years to do something we did in less time
Says the same guys who called Putin the victim while talking with Zelensky…
Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we’re going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!
I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.
If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.
Never thought I would miss Dubya
Heck, I’ll take any president who lived during my lifetime over Trump.
Dubya definitely got rehabilitated the past decade in many people’s eyes. Of course, he’s still… probably… a war criminal over the whole Iraq / war on terror situation. But I certainly understand the average American wanting him over Trump. I miss when the worst thing a president did was misspeak like his ‘fool me once’.
‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.
That US never existed.
it did in the movies, in here lies the problem.
id probably just try to suck their dick or something
Thanks nutsack
don’t rob my house I’m serious
I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.
Pretty sure that was only a thing in movies.
We negotiate with terrorists all the time.
Negotiate? You mean “hire, radicalize and elect president”
US literally funds terrorists, gives them weapons, and gives them CIA training to do terrorism. It’s like all these terrorist leaders went to the same school, of Americas.
Ken: Colonel, the guy you bagged is Dr. Amir Teraki, Pakistani. PhD in Astrophysics, educated at Harvard.
Colonel Tom Devoe: That’s right, people. We educated half the world’s terrorists.
The Peacemaker wasn’t that well received but that line stuck with me.
I don’t see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.
This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.
Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?
Ukraine had security “guarantees” when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.
Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.
Security garantee is only worth as much as the nation giving it wants to honour it.
With this president is meaningless
Dang. Anything for you guys to believe “this time!” will work.
NATO is not a guarantee anymore. Trump openly said that if specific European NATO countries will get attacked by Russia then there will be no response.
NATO is more than the US
NATO is pretty much dead now.
Yes, the ones who don’t meet the defense spending targets.
NATO membership is off the table, virtually no NATO country wants Ukraine to join.
Almost all of the NATO countries want Ukraine to join except for Russia’s lapdogs, ergo: Hungary, Slovakia, and the US.
Not really, even France & Germany are not so keen on Ukraine joining NATO now.
Now you’re just parroting talking points from the Kreml.
None of these statements actually back a Ukrainian bid to join NATO today.
Without security guarantees, this isn’t a “peace” deal, it’s a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.
What about the security “guarantees” Ukraine already had?
I guess it’s only a guarantee if it’s guaranteed at least twice? Lol.
What guarantees are those? And why are you putting them between the quote marks?
He’s talking about the 1994 treaty Ukraine made with Russia in which Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for Russia’s promise to never invade them.
He put “guarantees” in quotes because Russia fucking lied.
Because that’s what Russia does.
So what good do any kinds of guarantees from Russia or America or anyone else do for Ukraine in regards to this war when they already gave up a powerful means of self defense and were fucking lied to?
His mom must cede territory in any piece deal
Does this shithead hold his cards face out when he plays poker?
Oh fuck off, Rubio.
Go Rubio, go me boi.
Or not, would be nice to crush Ukraine entirely
I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.
That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.
If Zelenskyy tells the US to pound sand, the US cuts off military assistance and intelligence sharing again.
Türkiye would love to be the nation that resolves this.
Cede 1 acre of swampland between Crimea and the mainland, somewhere in the middle of it.
Russia must be quite desperate to put that much pressure on them
Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.
Because they’re losing and a part of losing in a war is making concessions to the winner.
If Ukraine didn’t make concessions for a peace deal, Russia will just continue winning the war and Ukrainians will have even less.
Sorry to all the new people in this world that fell for the propaganda machine. Hopefully this can be a learning experience for you all (it won’t.)
Because they’re losing and a part of losing in a war is making concessions to the winner.
I’ve been hearing the line that Ukraine is losing for three years now. Pretty sure if Russia could win this conflict, they would have done so already.
I’ve been hearing the line that Ukraine is losing for three years now
And how have the frontlines moved over said 3 years?
With Ukraine failing to take back their occupied territory, but striking at Russian soil and taking some for themselves to use as a bargaining chip. I’d say it’s a dead stalemate right now,
I’d say it’s a dead stalemate right now
Well then you’ve bought into the western propaganda. Don’t be surprised in some months when a very unfavourable peace agreement is signed.
When did they lose the war though?
Just look at Kursk, Velyka Novosilka and Chasiv Yar and ponder for a bit if they are winning or losing.
How much of their territory is under occupation vs. a month ago? By your logic, the USSR should have capitulated in 1942.
This war has so far been a series of quick UA gains slowly recaptured by Russia before more quick UA gains. Russia has held more of UA before. What changed since the siege of Kyiv that makes it make sense to capitulate? That was a worse situation, yet here we are, years later and Kyiv is still Ukrainian, and the VDV has still not recovered.
You don’t get it though, Russia bad. Therefore, throwing your male population through forced conscription into the meat grinder with no expectation of winning is based and cool and patriotic.
Which is what Russia is doing.
Yes, Russia is a borderline fascist empire as it stands now, and its government deserves extreme criticism for it. Sad consequence of dismantling the Soviet Union and selling it to the most corrupt bidder under the supervision of MIT economists.
What’s your point anyway? That sending people to the meat grinder in Ukraine is good actually by either side of the proxy inter-imperialist conflict?
People being dead is not good of course. What choice does the Ukrainian government have though other than to defend their country?
Negotiating?
Specifically how? They were okay with neutrality before the genocidal war inflicted on them. They just signaled that they are open to an immediate ceasefire, but the Russians denied the offer.
