You’ve heard of the double down, but what about the duodecuple down?
My University issued me a BS parking ticket a couple of weeks before graduation. I appealed, appeal was denied with no explanation. Fine was $20, no interest, no penalties. I ignored it. They refused to release my transcripts - oh well, that was 35 years ago now, haven’t needed the transcripts yet. They did send letters to me for 10 years asking me to pay the $20 fine, I believe the postage alone amounted to over $20 by the time they gave up.
At my college, if there were any unpaid fines/fees, they held your diploma rather than just the transcripts.
Although as often as I’ve had to show my diploma, I’d guess withholding that would probably be about as effective as the transcripts, lol.
At this point, you should respond and ask for sworn testimony from the person who wrote the ticket.
Every job asks if I have a diploma, nobody has ever asked for proof.
the decouple from reality
In July 2016, Prescott was caught driving 64km/h in a 50km/h zone and was sent a ticket for it. However, he tried to claim he wasn’t driving the car, nor did he own it.
Sovcit for sure. They have those in Oz?
Yes, although this is NZ. But yeah, having it get out of control like that does definitely sound like sovereign citizenship shit.
I got confused for a moment, the Z in NZ made me think of the Z in Oz. I know better.
Sovcits are pretty much everywhere.
What does “bankrupt” mean here? The only kind of bankruptcy I’m aware of is where the individual declares it, and it basically means the creditors are compelled to accept the court’s resolution of the debt.
I’ve never heard of the idea of the government making such a declaration. What are the consequences of such a declaration?
… is Aukland sort of like, eh, Florida, except for NZ?
Not really, but it is our biggest city by a very wide margin, so you’ll see it mentioned a lot in stories about NZ.
so you don’t have Auckland Man tossing
aligatorscrocodiles into fast food joints?disappointing!
I don’t think NZ has crocs, best you could do is probably a sheep.
I’m sure you could find a Cassowary around to get some equivalent amount of chaos to a croc.
I don’t want to meet anyone that can successfully carry and then throw a cassowary. I’m 192 cm, and 61 kg, and I am certain that I couldn’t manage to restrain a cassowary to carry the thing, much less throw one. The weight isn’t the difficulty factor here, it’s the damn deinonychus looking feet, and beak that I’m worried about.
It’s all about the harness…
You could say the same thing about a croc too. Get an idiot drunk enough and they do even more idiotic things.
Gators are easy to deal with. Get them to bite a stick, they will. Once their jaws are closed, a 7 year old child could keep their jaws closed with some difficulty. A full grown adult can easily hang on to their jaws. Then you get a buddy or two to throw the thing back in the water.
They’re fast in the water, and can do really short sprints on land. More like repeated lunges, really. On land we are much faster and have a lot more endurance. Not saying you shouldn’t be careful, but unless you’re a kid or elderly, gators aren’t really a concern.
We don’t have crocodiles in North America, outside of zoos, thankfully. Those monsters are a pain to deal with, I assume, since I have never seen a video of drunk Egyptians or drunk Australians wrangling them. I have seen drunk Floridians wrangle gators in person, so I’m certain videos exist.
I was unaware that there were cassowaries in NZ. We tried to find them in the various aviaries and zoos, to no avail, because they aren’t endemic and NZ has VERY strict rules about importation of birds.
There likely isn’t. I was just making a dumb joke about what a Flordia man inspired Kiwi would do.
Well, at least I know we didn’t spend all that time searching only to miss them. I was afraid I was going to find out that you live near a bunch of them somewhere on the North Island.
No, that would be Bob Katter.
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Ah legal systems designed to make people not seek to engage with it to solve issues. Let’s paywall off the courts some more so that only big business can afford to use it.
When he didn’t pay the fine and the matter went to court, Prescott didn’t show up and he was fined a further $80 and $30 in court costs.
Two years later, Prescott unsuccessfully appealed the fine in the District Court and rather than seek leave to appeal he sought a judicial review of that decision.
That request for review was struck out and Prescott was ordered to pay nearly $7000 in court costs.
He is summoned and failed to turn up. Then he appealed and failed. Then he keep doing the exact same thing over and over again while trying to strike off the fee. You can’t just waste everyone time and expect you won’t get billed each time you lose. It’s paywalling stupidity/insanity.
So cancel the case and move on, don’t fine the guy ridiculous amounts. The fines do nothing except make the legal system harder to access.
Court costs are different than a fine.
If a random guy sued you for a nonsense reason and you had to show up to court and pay a lawyer hundreds of dollars just to basically say “this lawsuit is frivolous and the ruling is self evident”, it’s reasonable to expect that ransom guy to pay your court costs. The alternative is being sued itself would be like a fine. If some dude with a vendetta sued me 10 times over that I’d be ruined no matter the result.
So frivolous, ungrounded lawsuits have a cost to them that actually has nothing to do with the courts getting money, it has to do with making it right that someone has wasted your own time and money.
This guy did that, and has to pay for not only his own lawyer (if he brought one, I expect he didn’t) but also the lawyer for the city/police department.
Some areas do have an actual fine for wasting the court’s time, so the lawyer thing might not be the only thing going on here, but no matter what, the guy gets to pay more for losing at court when the matter is considered obvious to everyone else and it seems he only wants to argue to avoid a perfectly legal fine.
it’s reasonable to expect that ransom guy to pay your court costs.
Yes, and if you’ve paid a good lawyer they will indeed get a judgement against “ransom guy” to pay all court costs including your lawyers’ fees. What you won’t often find is a good lawyer who will not charge you up front, because a judgement still needs to be collected, and collecting judgments from random ransom guys is a low odds business. See OP.
There is a series of appeals you can make when you don’t agree with something, which is the course this person has followed, and are there for good reason.
The only reason he’s in this situation is his own stupidity and stubbornness.
Charging him $110 for not showing up to his hearing seems fair. Charging him thousands for losing his appeals does not.
Lawyers and court time are expensive, and wasting time on frivolous BS should come with a penalty. The alternative isn’t fair to taxpayers.
Extreme costs make it too risky to appeal against injustice.
I wouldn’t consider these costs extreme, they wouldn’t even be the full cost of defending against his ridiculous claims.
They’re extreme relative to the average person’s disposable income.
That isn’t appeal, that is judicial review, basically wanting the court to review the decision and overturn it. It’s an extra step that shouldn’t be taken willy-nilly, and should be done when you’re sure you have a chance. He already went past the normal procedure and continue to pursuit something as stupid and obvious as speeding fine. The high cost imposed is to stop these sort of frivolous demand, and the court smell his bullshit from the get go as he pretend he didn’t drive or own the car.
They’re not expensive ant time wasting to this guy, he just refuses to show up.
I suppose, eventually, he will be inconvenienced with an arrest and incarceration.
He chose to keep wasting money
We lived in a city that levied $500 per day fines for some fairly common stuff (like 30% of the homes in the city had the violations, but only a few were charged with them because, reasons…) so, some homeowners who ignored the fines accumulated city liens in excess of the value of their homes. When that went to court, the judges just threw out all the fines as unconscionable, particularly when you could point to hundreds of homes with similar conditions for years and years which were not being fined.
In July 2016, Prescott was caught driving 64km/h in a 50km/h zone and was sent a ticket for it. However, he tried to claim he wasn’t driving the car, nor did he own it.
Nah, the guy was just wrong.
