• db0OPM
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    147 days ago

    100+ years of electoralism and you ended up in fascism anyway. Talk about bad outcomes.

    • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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      -57 days ago

      Fascism, the ultimate form of antielectoralism, is winning, yes. And instead of fighting it, the most passionate groups of left-leaning people are obsessed with not doing the bare minimum to stop it.

      • db0OPM
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        127 days ago

        Electoralism doesn’t stop fascism whatsoever.

        • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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          Democracy works for whoever uses it. If you don’t use it, if you only let the worst parts of your country to use it, you get your electoralism.
          There is an alternative explanation to all of it, progressives being a small minority will also explain the situation.
          I let you to decide which is worse.

          • @anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            7 days ago

            The degree to which liberal democracy ‘works’ is dependent on the health of capital

            The more capital fails, the greater chance democracy slips into populism because capital can no longer address the needs of the people and sustain its infinite growth. Populism either leans left (redistribution of capital towards labor) or it leans right (consolidation of capital toward an ‘in’ group to the exclusion of the out groups), but once capital has failed there’s really no returning to liberal democracy*.

            *edit - until capital re-balances, but will trend toward collapse again

            • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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              12 days ago

              Nobody said it’s going to be easy. But if you give up on democracy because of the gerrymandrting, you can stop worrying about politics, everything else is so much harder, every other action is so much more impossible, you might as well give up now.

                • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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                  12 days ago

                  You didn’t do the moderately easy thing so you can try your hands on the impossible one. Which means you either gave up on thinking or on telling the truth.

                  • @BussyGyatt@feddit.org
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                    who said i didnt do democracy, i did democracy while i could still pretend it was effective. dont go around putting words in my mouth and actions in my hand, patriot. you wanna waste your time huffing copium pretending the obviously rigged system totally works thats for you bud. take that shit it and sell it up the river, im gonna go ahead and believe my lying fucking eyes.

                    what makes you think next midterm will even be legitimate in the pretend sense i just referred to anyway. what makes you think you could vote for someone who could possibly fix any of this even if we were playing pretend- what would ‘fixing all this’ even look like. what makes you think the democratic majority arent already pleased with whats happening. grow a set of eyeballs and unblink for half a fucking minute dude fr

      • @balssh@lemm.ee
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        07 days ago

        Pretty much. The left can’t be bothered by pragmatism and is blinded by perfectionism. It boggles my mind how the political side who should be the go to for most of the population can’t make politics.

        • @YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today
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          4 days ago

          “the left”- you have no idea what is left or right. The left maybe have two proponents in the entirety of government.

          Edit: or->is

          • @adub@programming.dev
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            26 days ago

            Maybe not voting hurts the chances of not having more proponents in government. Think we found the problem.

            • @balssh@lemm.ee
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              06 days ago

              Nah couldn’t be, everyone should just let the fascist elect themselves and then cry about fascism.

              • @YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today
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                Y’all implying I didn’t vote? You’re fucking delusional!

                I voted blue straight down the line in a very very red state knowing where our electoral votes would fall.

                • @balssh@lemm.ee
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                  14 days ago

                  Not you personally, but a lot of people that are less right than republicans didn’t show up so trump won.

                  • @YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today
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                    14 days ago

                    That’s absolutely true. I was holding onto some small glimmer of hope that my state might send it’s 3 votes her way, but no. Went 2-1 for shitler.