Nobody attacks anarchists as fascists, they attack illiterate “anarchist” liberals who spend all their time crying about “red fascist tankies” as being the ignorant morons that they are, especially when they coincidentally and repeatedly repeat literal U.S. State Dept propaganda in their efforts to argue with the “red fascists” i.e. the fucking uigher genocide hallucination that you fucking morons are still on about
shit on this account I’ve been accused of being a tankie for having positions like: hating and fearing china is pretty stupid given their lack of militarism, massive improvements in quality of life for the working class, and frankly astounding technological progress in sustainable technologies.
Apparently wanting to end hierarchy and being sceptical of stateist projects means I have to ignore when they work at all and be constantly at war with like the entire world for not being pure enough. There’s enough shit keeping me busy in my own life to make up drama about the spooky red threat that seems to be a surveillance state like… every other highly industrialised society right now.
If they find my hexbear account I will be thrown out of town ;)
For real though, I respect you a fair bit but I do find fanning the flames of this internet slapfight over tankies a bit silly. Ultimately lemmy is not determining the course the future, it’s the stuff we do outside and I’ve never had a conversation come up about whether Stalin’s apparent antisemitism was a result of intrinsic bias or complex geopolitical realities outside of lemmy. I’ve stood in line with people without knowing anything deeper than that they’re here now about them. I’d apprehensively (lets be honest protest spoopy) do it again.
Basically everyone people call tankies on lemmy want the same good things as “ideology pure” leftists. We’re a tiny minority of a minority, aside from like 3 weird people everyone on hexbear/grad/ml is chill. I don’t see this doing much except scaring left curious libs away from studying any ideas more serious than welfare stateism.
I once said something about hating tankies and got name-checked into a thread there. I explained that I don’t care for authoritarianism of any kind, and one mouthy punk kept trying to rile me up.
Y’all got a reputation for a reason.
(There were others who were chill about it, but people tend to remember loud assholes better than chill people.)
How would left unity work?
Anarchism and MLism are so different from each other that any unity between supporters of either would be short lived. Like the unity between the USSR and the USA during WW2.
I don’t agree with that at all. We all have fundamentally the same goals, just slightly different ways of organising and reaching them. There are far, far more things we agree on than disagree on, and on the latter we’re able to disagree on things respectfully.
You’ve also got to remember, we’re not revolutionaries or a party, we’re just people on a webforum. If a revolution was suddenly magicked out of thin air we might have a falling out, but until then what’s the problem? Most of our posting now is just criticism of our current world anyway, which is something we’re all very much aligned on.
Sure, but those methods are severly different.
FWIW: I think left unity is pretty important now, during another rise in fascism, but I don’t think it will last long.
Hey, you know what? I figured out why you tankies don’t just use AI to write all your claptrap secular Catholocist dogma for you - it’s because you’re afraid AI might actually be more coherent than you are.
In my ideal postrevolutionary society, there would be special political/economic zones where anarchists could live and try to build a model for the society of the future, sheltered from external threats by the communist state. I don’t think anarchists and MLs necessarily need to be at odds.
You realize that that idea basically means that anarchists would have to help MLs seize power their way, and then hope they stick to their promises (because they’re then at their mercy). For me, It’s an absurd idea on its face and only serves to make us willing tools.
You should actually look up the history of and contemporary anarchism in socialist states. Hell Mao himself was in anarchist circles in his college days. You just like to stir shit for no reason at all. This meme you posted is not a principled critique and is just a tired liberal trope. As anarchists we should do better. But frankly I expect nothing better from you given my past encounters with you.
So on Hexbear, attacking communism as capitalism is not allowed, but attacking anarchism as fascism is?
Nobody attacks anarchists as fascists, they attack illiterate “anarchist” liberals who spend all their time crying about “red fascist tankies” as being the ignorant morons that they are, especially when they coincidentally and repeatedly repeat literal U.S. State Dept propaganda in their efforts to argue with the “red fascists” i.e. the fucking uigher genocide hallucination that you fucking morons are still on about
No, he’s referring to communists there.
Ah, I misunderstood. Sorry.
I think your reading comprehension is poor, or you’re referring to something outside of this thread. This is definitely not allowed in Hexbear.
I think so. It’s a tankie space. Their shit posts still average high qualitu.
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Happens to me all the fucking time lmao.
shit on this account I’ve been accused of being a tankie for having positions like: hating and fearing china is pretty stupid given their lack of militarism, massive improvements in quality of life for the working class, and frankly astounding technological progress in sustainable technologies.
Apparently wanting to end hierarchy and being sceptical of stateist projects means I have to ignore when they work at all and be constantly at war with like the entire world for not being pure enough. There’s enough shit keeping me busy in my own life to make up drama about the spooky red threat that seems to be a surveillance state like… every other highly industrialised society right now.
If they find my hexbear account I will be thrown out of town ;)
We don’t ban hexbears just because they’re from hexbear. I’ve known you’ve had an account there for years.
Well of course you know
It is a joke about the content of said account.
Lemme get the anarcho-police to check it on the tankiemeter…
It all comes out now, nobody can survive contact with power. Even administrating a lemmy instance corrupts.
Come see the violence folks, come see anarchy in action!
For real though, I respect you a fair bit but I do find fanning the flames of this internet slapfight over tankies a bit silly. Ultimately lemmy is not determining the course the future, it’s the stuff we do outside and I’ve never had a conversation come up about whether Stalin’s apparent antisemitism was a result of intrinsic bias or complex geopolitical realities outside of lemmy. I’ve stood in line with people without knowing anything deeper than that they’re here now about them. I’d apprehensively (lets be honest protest spoopy) do it again.
Basically everyone people call tankies on lemmy want the same good things as “ideology pure” leftists. We’re a tiny minority of a minority, aside from like 3 weird people everyone on hexbear/grad/ml is chill. I don’t see this doing much except scaring left curious libs away from studying any ideas more serious than welfare stateism.
I once said something about hating tankies and got name-checked into a thread there. I explained that I don’t care for authoritarianism of any kind, and one mouthy punk kept trying to rile me up.
Y’all got a reputation for a reason.
(There were others who were chill about it, but people tend to remember loud assholes better than chill people.)
Hexbear and its influences have been a disaster for the fediverse.
Soooo… a tankie space.
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Terminally online radlibs call me a tankie too so apparently yes…
Oh, look… an adherent of factory-owner ideology called me a “radlib…”
How would left unity work?
Anarchism and MLism are so different from each other that any unity between supporters of either would be short lived. Like the unity between the USSR and the USA during WW2.
I don’t agree with that at all. We all have fundamentally the same goals, just slightly different ways of organising and reaching them. There are far, far more things we agree on than disagree on, and on the latter we’re able to disagree on things respectfully.
You’ve also got to remember, we’re not revolutionaries or a party, we’re just people on a webforum. If a revolution was suddenly magicked out of thin air we might have a falling out, but until then what’s the problem? Most of our posting now is just criticism of our current world anyway, which is something we’re all very much aligned on.
Sure, but those methods are severly different.
FWIW: I think left unity is pretty important now, during another rise in fascism, but I don’t think it will last long.
That’s a really good take, actually.
Personally, I dont think its important if left-unity its temporary or permanent so long as it last long enough to overthrow the capitalist system.
Glad we’re on the same page on this at least
As a wise kangaroo once said
Since when was it anarchist’s goal to enslave the working class to party bureaucrats?
Yeah true, that’s quite different to the anarchist goal of burning down every structure and having us all live in a state of violent primitive chaos.
Oh wait, I’m not an idiot so I don’t actually believe that.
Oh, no… seems to me that you tankies just love forcing the working class to contend with a “state of violent primitive chaos.”
Hey, you know what? I figured out why you tankies don’t just use AI to write all your claptrap secular Catholocist dogma for you - it’s because you’re afraid AI might actually be more coherent than you are.
In my ideal postrevolutionary society, there would be special political/economic zones where anarchists could live and try to build a model for the society of the future, sheltered from external threats by the communist state. I don’t think anarchists and MLs necessarily need to be at odds.
That’s an interesting idea
You realize that that idea basically means that anarchists would have to help MLs seize power their way, and then hope they stick to their promises (because they’re then at their mercy). For me, It’s an absurd idea on its face and only serves to make us willing tools.
You should actually look up the history of and contemporary anarchism in socialist states. Hell Mao himself was in anarchist circles in his college days. You just like to stir shit for no reason at all. This meme you posted is not a principled critique and is just a tired liberal trope. As anarchists we should do better. But frankly I expect nothing better from you given my past encounters with you.
Don’t care for your toxic opinions either way.
Your MOM gas a more nuanced position on AES than us.
Would she consider a lecture series?
Or… Or maybe an intimate one on one explainer over coffee?
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…well?
I’m too much of a coward to askher myself.
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No, thats the beauty of it! I’d just be a secondary fallback stepmom.
Interesting proposition, I’ll think it over.