• Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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    Marx’s utopian conception of a classless society

    Tell me you don’t understand Marx without telling me you don’t understand Marx

    Edit: LMFAO YOU CITED ZIQ BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • @sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      but then we tend to get into ‘thats not real communism’ or basically just meme/schrodinger’s irony level argument territory

      That was fast!

      Sorry, I was trying to specifically use Lenin’s conception/phrasing of “socialism” as the progressive process that builds society toward the idealized, but possibly not ever truly, perfectly achievable “communism”.

      Thats what I get for trying to use ML terms with an ML, I suppose.

      So anyway, if a classless society is not the ultimate end goal of Marx, of Marxism… what would you describe the end goal of Marxism as?

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          176 days ago

          (Which anyone with a decent understanding of Marx would know, and therefore avoid using the word in a description of Marxist goals.)

          • @sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            16 days ago

            Does it ever occur to you that mandating a mastery of an esoteric vocabulary and history as the first step toward being elligible for ‘left-unity’… is not exactly appealing to, or a reasonable expectation for prospective new members of such a ‘left-unity’ broad social movement?

            Are you trying to be an elitist clique, or a movement that broadly represents large masses of poor, tired, busy, overworked, poorly educated people?

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              196 days ago

              You’ve been talking down to me this entire time and you claim to have degrees in both economics and political science, and you’re now complaining that I’m being elitist for pointing out that you’re not actually familiar with my ideology in any depth?

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          Oof yeah, words can have multiple meanings in different contexts and change over time as well.

          I meant it in the more common lingo that normal people mean by the word utopian, an idealized human society that is the best for all its members of any possible society.

          Sorry, I don’t spend that much time getting into online arguments with MLs and Socialism Understanders these days, as they tend to be so very, very pedantic and unproductive.

          See how you almost got me to not notice you didn’t even attempt to answer my most pertinent question?

          • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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            196 days ago

            Thats what I get for trying to use ML terms with an ML, I suppose.

            Two faced dishonest hypocrite.

            Note: this isn’t an ad hominem because I’m not trying to dismiss an idea here, just point out that you’re a contemptible person