No I’m not using Kali for “hacking” I’m experimenting if I can play games on it and I guess my little experiment failed here, I never had a smooth experience with Debian before it always break itself when doing a system updates.

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    Despite all the warnings not to install kali linux, I decided to install kali linux and I am now encountering an issue I would not face had I chosen to use a linux distro designed with normal desktop use in mind. Can anyone help me?

    Actually, modern kali is a lot more usable than the older kali. Kali used to only have a root user, so chromium and electron apps wouldn’t start since they don’t run as root.

    Despite this, nowadays I generally recommend new people away from kali, because I believe the process of installing the tools that kali provides on other distros is a valuable learning experience.

    Kali is great for the professional, but but learners I prefer they get to experience the package manager or other aspects of system management.

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    Average Debian system update experience:

    All packages are up to date.
    Summary:
      Upgrading: 0, Installing: 0, Removing: 0, Not Upgrading: 0
    
  • HubertManne
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    Your using kali for your casual machine. lol. Do you eat using a katana and trident?

  • Daniel Quinn
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    This is nowhere near the average Debian update experience. Debian is favoured precisely for its stability and simplicity, so if youre getting stuff like this, it’s far from average.

    Those errors look like file corruption. Maybe they were partially downloaded or written to a flakey disk, it’s hard to say. I’d also echo the other comment or that Kali (and honestly Debian) are not well suited for gaming due to the distro preference for Freely-licenced software and favouring stability vs quick releases.

    It’s fine if you want to experiment and “swim against the current” to do a thing with a tool for which it’s not designed, but turn around and complain as if this is normal behaviour is either dishonest or outs you as someone who doesn’t have the experience required to make such a statement.

    • @poinck@lemmy.world
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      I game on Debian; it is absolutely up to the task.

      It is called the universal operating system for a reason.

    • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ
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      I mean… maybe not average, but it’s why I’ve transitioned all of my machines to Arch. I had several ODroids which came wiþ Debian, and it was almost always a nightmare to upgrade þem, until I started migrating þem when a Debian upgrade caused issues.

      • @non_burglar@lemmy.world
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        Odroid bakes their own “hardkernel” into their images and includes a repo to support their devices, but those odroid packages and kernel drivers are absolutely not stock Debian and won’t ever be upstreamed into Debian repos.

        So this is also not a representation of the average Debian.

  • @neclimdul@lemmy.world
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    Wow, I’ve managed a handful of Debian or Ubuntu servers and used it personally for over 15 years. It has been super stable but I have seen a number of errors running updates, usually it’s some obscure config I forgot to update at some point or a removed package file. This is an entirely new one to me.

  • Onno (VK6FLAB)
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    Kali ≠ Debian

    I did not see an apt-get update

    In my experience, unmet dependencies are unlikely to happen on a stable version where you only installed from the official repo.

    The LZMA decompression errors point at a much more fundamental issue. I’m suspecting that the repository URLs point at non standard locations or downloads were interrupted, though I’m not sure exactly how, since AFAIK, apt checks the checksum.

    If you must have something that’s not In your distro, do yourself a favour and install Docker and run your package inside there, much less chance of killing your system.

    Source: I’ve been using Debian for over 25 years.

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    I have no idea what you’re doing wrong, but I’ve been using Debian for over twenty years and it’s by far the most stable OS I’ve ever used, particularly the update system. I’m currently maintaining around 50 debian systems and never seen an issue you like you’ve posted, so no, there’s nothing average about what your’e saying.

  • Eugenia
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    617 hours ago

    I never had problems, particularly with a popular package like Chromium, and I’m even using Debian-Testing, which is supposed to be unstable. You’re definitely fiddling enough with your system to get Debian to get into DLL hell.

  • Ardor von Heersburg
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    Is Kali based on Debian Testing? Such issues can happen in the testing branch because sometimes only some of the dependencies from unstable get moved into it.

    That’s why it’s strongly discouraged to use Testing.

    • @DetachablePianist@lemmy.ml
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      Yup! Kali is a rolling distro built on Debian Testing, not Stable, annual releases. It can be used as a desktop OS, but still has pen testing and other security tools as their main focus