• db0OPM
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    Don’t badjacket. Just because we don’t believe in the electoral farce doesn’t make us a paid actor.

    • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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      That’s true, some people repeat the same points for free. This is also bad, it leads to bad outcomes.

      • db0OPM
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        100+ years of electoralism and you ended up in fascism anyway. Talk about bad outcomes.

        • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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          Fascism, the ultimate form of antielectoralism, is winning, yes. And instead of fighting it, the most passionate groups of left-leaning people are obsessed with not doing the bare minimum to stop it.

          • db0OPM
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            1315 days ago

            Electoralism doesn’t stop fascism whatsoever.

            • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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              Democracy works for whoever uses it. If you don’t use it, if you only let the worst parts of your country to use it, you get your electoralism.
              There is an alternative explanation to all of it, progressives being a small minority will also explain the situation.
              I let you to decide which is worse.

              • @anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                The degree to which liberal democracy ‘works’ is dependent on the health of capital

                The more capital fails, the greater chance democracy slips into populism because capital can no longer address the needs of the people and sustain its infinite growth. Populism either leans left (redistribution of capital towards labor) or it leans right (consolidation of capital toward an ‘in’ group to the exclusion of the out groups), but once capital has failed there’s really no returning to liberal democracy*.

                *edit - until capital re-balances, but will trend toward collapse again

              • @BussyGyatt@feddit.org
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                114 days ago

                in particular, it seems to work for whomever can get their districts more successfully gerrymandered.

                • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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                  Nobody said it’s going to be easy. But if you give up on democracy because of the gerrymandrting, you can stop worrying about politics, everything else is so much harder, every other action is so much more impossible, you might as well give up now.

          • @balssh@lemm.ee
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            015 days ago

            Pretty much. The left can’t be bothered by pragmatism and is blinded by perfectionism. It boggles my mind how the political side who should be the go to for most of the population can’t make politics.

            • @YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today
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              12 days ago

              “the left”- you have no idea what is left or right. The left maybe have two proponents in the entirety of government.

              Edit: or->is

              • @adub@programming.dev
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                Maybe not voting hurts the chances of not having more proponents in government. Think we found the problem.

                • @balssh@lemm.ee
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                  014 days ago

                  Nah couldn’t be, everyone should just let the fascist elect themselves and then cry about fascism.

                  • @YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today
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                    Y’all implying I didn’t vote? You’re fucking delusional!

                    I voted blue straight down the line in a very very red state knowing where our electoral votes would fall.